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Archimedean degree bound beyond the cubic case

Proved
CollapsibleCubics.pi_div_psi_le_natDegree_general

by quesswho · 1 vote · Sep 7, 2026 · Mathlib 0df444a (Lean v4.33.1)

algebraalgebraic-numbersnumber-theorypolynomials

Let m∈Q[x]m \in \mathbb{Q}[x]m∈Q[x] be irreducible with a real root α1\alpha_1α1​ and a non-real root α2\alpha_2α2​, and set

λ  =  Re⁡α2−α1Im⁡α2,ψ  =  arctan⁡λ,\lambda \;=\; \frac{\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1}{\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2}, \qquad \psi \;=\; \arctan \lambda,λ=Imα2​Reα2​−α1​​,ψ=arctanλ,

with the conjugate α2\alpha_2α2​ chosen so that λ>0\lambda > 0λ>0, hence ψ∈(0,π/2)\psi \in (0, \pi/2)ψ∈(0,π/2). If f∈Q[x]f \in \mathbb{Q}[x]f∈Q[x] is split and f(α)∈Qf(\alpha) \in \mathbb{Q}f(α)∈Q for some root α\alphaα of mmm, then

πψ  ≤  deg⁡f.\frac{\pi}{\psi} \;\le\; \deg f.ψπ​≤degf.

Possessing both a real and a non-real root already forces deg⁡m≥3\deg m \ge 3degm≥3, so no degree hypothesis is needed.

This is the archimedean obstruction stated for algebraic numbers of arbitrary degree. Irreducibility gives m∣f−cm \mid f - cm∣f−c, so fff takes the same nonzero value at every root, and the ratios zi=(α1−ri)/(α2−ri)z_i = (\alpha_1 - r_i)/(\alpha_2 - r_i)zi​=(α1​−ri​)/(α2​−ri​) of the linear factors of fff multiply to 111; each ziz_izi​ lies on the circle x2+y2−x−λy=0x^2 + y^2 - x - \lambda y = 0x2+y2−x−λy=0 through 000 and 111, and strict concavity of log⁡cos⁡\log\coslogcos on (−π/2,π/2)(-\pi/2, \pi/2)(−π/2,π/2) converts that into the bound.

Specialising to a depressed cubic with Δ<0\Delta < 0Δ<0, where α1=−2u\alpha_1 = -2uα1​=−2u and α2=u+iv\alpha_2 = u + ivα2​=u+iv, gives λ=3u/v\lambda = 3u/vλ=3u/v and recovers the cubic bound exactly. The general form matters because it constrains the conjecture in every degree, including the degree ≥4\ge 4≥4 range that is the open frontier of the original problem: it shows that no uniform degree of collapsing polynomial can ever suffice, whatever the degree of α\alphaα.

Formalization Note The normalisation is the single hypothesis 0<(Re⁡α2−α1)Im⁡α20 < (\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1)\operatorname{Im}\alpha_20<(Reα2​−α1​)Imα2​. It forces Im⁡α2≠0\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2 \neq 0Imα2​=0 and λ>0\lambda > 0λ>0, so both divisions in the conclusion are well defined and no junk value arises. Replacing α2\alpha_2α2​ by its complex conjugate flips the sign of both factors, so the hypothesis is a choice of conjugate, not a restriction — except when Re⁡α2=α1\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 = \alpha_1Reα2​=α1​, which it excludes. The root α\alphaα at which fff is rational is an independent variable, tied to α1,α2\alpha_1, \alpha_2α1​,α2​ only by being a root of the same mmm.

Preamble
import Definitions.Def_CollapsibleCubics_basic
Formal statement
import Definitions.Def_CollapsibleCubics_basic

namespace CollapsibleCubics
open Polynomial
theorem pi_div_psi_le_natDegree_general
    (m : ℚ[X]) (hirr : Irreducible m)
    (α₁ : ℝ) (h₁ : aeval α₁ m = 0)
    (α₂ : ℂ) (h₂ : aeval α₂ m = 0)
    (hsign : 0 < (α₂.re - α₁) * α₂.im)
    (α : ℂ) (hα : aeval α m = 0)
    (f : ℚ[X]) (hf : IsSplit f) (c : ℚ) (hc : aeval α f = (c : ℂ)) :
    Real.pi / Real.arctan ((α₂.re - α₁) / α₂.im) ≤ f.natDegree := by sorry
end CollapsibleCubics
Source
Miles, *Collapsible algebraic numbers*, blog post, 2026-08-20, https://quesswho.github.io/miles-blog/2026/08/20/collapsible/ (definitions of *split* polynomial and of *1-collapsible*). Underlying problem: Griffin Macris, list of open problems, Problem 3, https://sites.google.com/view/griffinmacris/open-problems. Generalisation of the archimedean obstruction beyond the cubic case: the circle parameter is lambda = (Re a2 - a1)/Im a2, which specialises to 3u/v for a depressed cubic with roots -2u and u +- iv. Not proved in the accompanying development; the cubic case rests on results L9-L12 and L24 there.
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Fix the polynomial ring Q[X]\mathbb{Q}[X]Q[X] over the rationals.

The statement asserts the following. Let m∈Q[X]m \in \mathbb{Q}[X]m∈Q[X] be a polynomial that is irreducible in Q[X]\mathbb{Q}[X]Q[X] (in the ring-theoretic sense: mmm is neither a unit nor zero, and whenever m=abm = abm=ab one of a,ba, ba,b is a unit). Let α1∈R\alpha_1 \in \mathbb{R}α1​∈R be a real number satisfying m(α1)=0m(\alpha_1) = 0m(α1​)=0, where mmm is evaluated at α1\alpha_1α1​ via the canonical embedding Q↪R\mathbb{Q} \hookrightarrow \mathbb{R}Q↪R applied to its coefficients. Let α2∈C\alpha_2 \in \mathbb{C}α2​∈C be a complex number satisfying m(α2)=0m(\alpha_2) = 0m(α2​)=0, evaluated via Q↪C\mathbb{Q} \hookrightarrow \mathbb{C}Q↪C. Write Re⁡α2\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2Reα2​ and Im⁡α2\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2Imα2​ for the real and imaginary parts of α2\alpha_2α2​. Assume the sign condition

0<(Re⁡α2−α1)⋅Im⁡α2,0 < (\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1)\cdot \operatorname{Im}\alpha_2 ,0<(Reα2​−α1​)⋅Imα2​,

i.e. the product of the two real numbers Re⁡α2−α1\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1Reα2​−α1​ and Im⁡α2\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2Imα2​ is strictly positive. Let α∈C\alpha \in \mathbb{C}α∈C be a further complex number with m(α)=0m(\alpha) = 0m(α)=0; note that α\alphaα is a third, independent variable, tied to α1\alpha_1α1​ and α2\alpha_2α2​ only by being a root of the same mmm, and nothing forces α\alphaα to differ from, or agree with, either of them. Let f∈Q[X]f \in \mathbb{Q}[X]f∈Q[X] be a polynomial which is split over Q\mathbb{Q}Q in the following expanded sense (this is the bundle's own predicate, unfolded):

  • deg⁡f>0\deg f > 0degf>0, where deg⁡\degdeg is the natural-number degree (so in particular f≠0f \ne 0f=0 and fff is not a nonzero constant); and
  • there exist a rational number a≠0a \ne 0a=0 and a finite multiset RRR of rational numbers such that
f=a⋅∏r∈R(X−r),f = a \cdot \prod_{r \in R} (X - r),f=a⋅r∈R∏​(X−r),

the product being taken over RRR with multiplicity. (Since deg⁡f>0\deg f > 0degf>0, the multiset RRR is necessarily nonempty and ∣R∣=deg⁡f|R| = \deg f∣R∣=degf; roots may repeat.)

Finally, let c∈Qc \in \mathbb{Q}c∈Q be a rational number such that evaluating fff at the complex number α\alphaα gives exactly the image of ccc in C\mathbb{C}C:

f(α)=c.f(\alpha) = c .f(α)=c.

Under all of these hypotheses, the conclusion asserted is the inequality

πarctan⁡ ⁣(Re⁡α2−α1Im⁡α2)  ≤  deg⁡f,\frac{\pi}{\arctan\!\left(\dfrac{\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1}{\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2}\right)} \;\le\; \deg f ,arctan(Imα2​Reα2​−α1​​)π​≤degf,

a comparison of real numbers, where deg⁡f\deg fdegf is the natural-number degree of fff cast into R\mathbb{R}R, π\piπ is the usual circle constant, and arctan⁡\arctanarctan is the principal inverse tangent, taking values in (−π/2,π/2)(-\pi/2, \pi/2)(−π/2,π/2). The inequality is non-strict (≤\le≤), and it is stated in the direction "the ratio is at most the degree".

On degeneracy, satisfiability, and junk values.

The hypotheses are jointly satisfiable, so the statement is not vacuous. The sign hypothesis 0<(Re⁡α2−α1)Im⁡α20 < (\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1)\operatorname{Im}\alpha_20<(Reα2​−α1​)Imα2​ forces both factors to be nonzero and of the same sign; in particular Im⁡α2≠0\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2 \ne 0Imα2​=0, so α2\alpha_2α2​ is genuinely non-real, and Re⁡α2≠α1\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 \ne \alpha_1Reα2​=α1​. Consequently mmm has a real root α1\alpha_1α1​ and a non-real root α2\alpha_2α2​; together with irreducibility over Q\mathbb{Q}Q this forces deg⁡m≥3\deg m \ge 3degm≥3 (an irreducible rational polynomial of degree 111 has only a real root, and one of degree 222 has either two real roots or two non-real ones, never one of each). So mmm cannot be linear or quadratic, and the hypothesis block is consistent — for instance any irreducible rational cubic with one real and two complex roots, with α2\alpha_2α2​ chosen as whichever of the conjugate pair makes the product positive, satisfies the first four hypotheses.

Because Im⁡α2≠0\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2 \ne 0Imα2​=0 is forced, the quotient (Re⁡α2−α1)/Im⁡α2(\operatorname{Re}\alpha_2 - \alpha_1)/\operatorname{Im}\alpha_2(Reα2​−α1​)/Imα2​ is an honest division and no division-by-zero junk value arises there; moreover that quotient is strictly positive (the two factors having equal sign), so arctan⁡\arctanarctan of it lies strictly in (0,π/2)(0, \pi/2)(0,π/2) and is in particular nonzero. Hence the outer division π/arctan⁡(⋅)\pi / \arctan(\cdot)π/arctan(⋅) is also an honest division: the denominator cannot be 000, and the left-hand side is a well-defined real number strictly greater than π/(π/2)=2\pi/(\pi/2) = 2π/(π/2)=2. Note that the sign hypothesis constrains only α1\alpha_1α1​ and α2\alpha_2α2​ and does not involve α\alphaα or fff.

There is, however, no hypothesis relating α\alphaα to α1\alpha_1α1​ or α2\alpha_2α2​ beyond all three being roots of mmm, and no hypothesis asserting that α1\alpha_1α1​, α2\alpha_2α2​, α\alphaα are distinct, that α2\alpha_2α2​ and α1\alpha_1α1​ are "adjacent" in any sense, or that fff is nonconstant on any set other than as recorded by deg⁡f>0\deg f > 0degf>0. Likewise, α1\alpha_1α1​ is a real number required to be a root, and α2\alpha_2α2​, α\alphaα are complex numbers required to be roots; no hypothesis says mmm is monic, primitive, or of any particular degree beyond what irreducibility plus the two root conditions force. The condition f(α)=cf(\alpha) = cf(α)=c says only that fff takes a rational value at the specific root α\alphaα; it is not required to take rational values at the other roots, and ccc is not required to be nonzero.

Finally, deg⁡f\deg fdegf appears on the right as a natural number coerced to R\mathbb{R}R; the split hypothesis guarantees deg⁡f≥1\deg f \ge 1degf≥1, so the right-hand side is at least 111, but the conclusion asserts the specific numerical bound above, not merely positivity.

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  • Endorsed by Shuze Chen · Sep 8, 2026

  • Endorsed by quesswho · Sep 8, 2026

    Confirmed by the mission captain (proposal self-audit).

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