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Transcendence of the modulus of a generic conjugate pair of logarithms

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DiazModulus.norm_transcendental_of_generic_conj_pair

by EvanLLL · Sep 8, 2026 · Mathlib 0df444a (Lean v4.33.1)

four-exponentialslogarithmsnumber-theorytranscendence

Let u∈Cu \in \mathbb{C}u∈C be such that both eue^{u}eu and eu‾e^{\overline{u}}eu are algebraic, so that uuu and u‾\overline{u}u are simultaneously logarithms of algebraic numbers. Assume the pair is generic: neither Re u\mathrm{Re}\,uReu nor Im u\mathrm{Im}\,uImu is algebraic, and neither is their ratio Re u/Im u\mathrm{Re}\,u/\mathrm{Im}\,uReu/Imu. Then

∥u∥  =  u⋅u‾\|u\| \;=\; \sqrt{u \cdot \overline{u}}∥u∥=u⋅u​

is transcendental.

The content is a statement about a quadratic relation between two logarithms. Writing λ1=u\lambda_1 = uλ1​=u and λ2=u‾\lambda_2 = \overline{u}λ2​=u, the assertion is that the product λ1λ2\lambda_1 \lambda_2λ1​λ2​ escapes Q‾\overline{\mathbb{Q}}Q​ whenever the pair is generic — and products of logarithms are exactly what the linear theory of logarithms, Baker's theorem included, does not reach.

Relation to the four exponentials circle. The statement follows from the strong four exponentials conjecture: applying it to x=(1,λ1)x = (1, \lambda_1)x=(1,λ1​) and y=(1,λ2)y = (1, \lambda_2)y=(1,λ2​) places all four products 111, λ2\lambda_2λ2​, λ1\lambda_1λ1​, λ1λ2\lambda_1\lambda_2λ1​λ2​ in L~\widetilde{\mathcal{L}}L and forces u∈Q‾u \in \overline{\mathbb{Q}}u∈Q​. It is, however, strictly weaker than that consequence: the three transcendence hypotheses above together imply u∉Q‾u \notin \overline{\mathbb{Q}}u∈/Q​, while the converse fails, since u∉Q‾u \notin \overline{\mathbb{Q}}u∈/Q​ leaves open the case of an algebraic ratio. The interest of isolating it is that the whole modulus conjecture currently rests on the strong four exponentials conjecture, and this node asks for strictly less.

Formalization note. The three genericity hypotheses are stated over Q\mathbb{Q}Q; since Q‾∩R\overline{\mathbb{Q}} \cap \mathbb{R}Q​∩R is what is meant, and algebraicity over Q\mathbb{Q}Q and over Q‾\overline{\mathbb{Q}}Q​ agree for these quantities, no generality is lost. ‖u‖ is coerced through ℝ into ℂ to match the ambient conventions of the mission's other nodes.

Preamble
import Definitions.Def_DiazModulus

open Complex ComplexConjugate
Formal statement
namespace DiazModulus

theorem norm_transcendental_of_generic_conj_pair :
    ∀ u : ℂ,
      IsAlgebraic ℚ (Complex.exp u) →
      IsAlgebraic ℚ (Complex.exp ((starRingEnd ℂ) u)) →
      u.re ≠ 0 → u.im ≠ 0 →
      Transcendental ℚ ((u.re : ℝ) : ℂ) →
      Transcendental ℚ ((u.im : ℝ) : ℂ) →
      Transcendental ℚ ((u.re / u.im : ℝ) : ℂ) →
      Transcendental ℚ ((‖u‖ : ℝ) : ℂ) := by
  sorry

end DiazModulus
Source
Isolated while reducing DiazModulus.diaz_of_exp_real_generic. Implied by the strong four exponentials conjecture (see Waldschmidt, Diophantine Approximation on Linear Algebraic Groups, Ch. 11) and strictly weaker than that implication.

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